On March 26, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan held a symposium to discuss, among other topics, overseas piracy of Japanese animation. The Tokyo Anime Center, one of the organizations involved with the Tokyo International Anime Fair, posted the following notice in Japanese, English, Chinese, and Korean at this year's fair:
The English translation, as written word-for-word on the notice, reads as follows:
Internet Piracy
Don' t make it! Don' t watch it!!
Don't download it!!!
“Fan-Subtitles” are visual works that feature unauthorized
subtitles in various languages done by 'fans.' Data
hasshown that in the United States, there have been over 6
million downloads in any given week.
In answer to this, the Copyright Network for Comic Authors
in the 21st Century, The Association of Japanese
Animations and the Japan Video Software Association with
cooperation from relevant government ministries, have
established a countermeasure council to address the issue
of internet piracy with particular attention on Fansubs. The
first meeting is scheduled to be held in April.
The Japanese government's Task Force on Media Content Business and Japanese Brands had published a proposal for "a comprehensive policy for promoting content in the digital age" on February 1. With that proposal, Tokyo Anime Center executive producer Masakazu Kubo had submitted a document that touched upon the fansubs issue. Like the above notice but unlike many in the English-speaking anime community, Kubo considered fansubs as a form of "pirated copies," but also suggested that the industry deal with fans with high translation skills by officially making use of their skills.
Update: The Japanese and Chinese versions of the notice are as follows:
OMFG if this task force thing actually prevents anymore fan-subbing and ending anime on the internet then I would go mad!
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Interesting to note, that he also mentions that the industry should make use of the proficient fansubbers in an official capacity. Looks like some folks would then be getting job offers to translate material for the companies, so they can be properly distributed overseas.
This
SUCKS
-.-
I understand it but i wanna see this!! I wanna see naruto anime, and i rly DONT Wanna wait for our countries lazy subbers/dubbers (nawt dubbers. hate dubs). For fansubbers it takes 1 day to sub a episode. For a offical tv station it takes several months =/ And they always show the dubs. This is da worst shit evah.
Or if they do choose to dub them, at least hire a good crew and dub it well. For example, Elfen Lied dubbed is horrendous and makes me want to punch something each time I hear the voices. Samurai Champloo on the other hand, IMO had VERY good dubbing.
Or if they do choose to dub them, at least hire a good crew and dub it well. For example, Elfen Lied dubbed is horrendous and makes me want to punch something each time I hear the voices. Samurai Champloo on the other hand, IMO had VERY good dubbing.
Same with Rurouni Kenshin (if not mistaken). The main guy "kenshin" had like this girly voice or was it the japanese verson. I can't remember o.o
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lol about time Japan did something about this, it's always the US who enforces the copyrighted material.
lol as in you are laughing ? what on earth do you think you are doing ?
who's site is zomganime.com ? how much respect as an american do you have for copyrighted material ? anime is actually one of japan's strongest domestic products for export and zomganime.com makes it as cheap a possible
lets cut the crap, every little bored student who likes spending their time streaming anime, never having paid a penny for a manga or dvd they are not anime fans and i don't care what they claim, they are a fallacy of a market that is supposed to be the scape goat of fansubbing's prosecution
if you take a look at many fansubbing groups you will see a shit load of anime they have dropped, for the most part NOT 'cause they received some lawsuit but simply because those anime got licensed, they respect that, (along with the group that worked on Naruto in the first place)
when a site like zomganime.com makes anime available so easily and freely, they essentailly exploit all the effort ALL those people have put into translating them, since what is supposed to a fansub group's aim is TO BRING ATTENTION TO AN ANIME indicating there is market for a title. No, a fansubbing group's aim is not to make a product 100% available like its some public domain thing like Linux .
People who have worked as fansubbers HAVE indeed been hire for legit work in major american retailers, and after the 50% anime dvd sales drop in 2006 and 25% in 2007, those retailers have made cut backs on their staff since what the proper fansubbers dropped other *&(&#$ have continued, basically competing with the lisenced product costing people their jobs
lets not forget the bubble gum point "we promote anime". who on earth will spend 70 dollars on a naruto dvd box when they can DL it for free ?!
and true "anime fans" don't watch dubs and hate "fillers" ! you see people forget the simplest principal that when you are not buying what you are consuming you have no right to complain about it
naruto's arc from 150 to 220 for example, it doesn't take a genious to figure out that the majority of those episodes where made with a younger than usual audience in mind, the audience that will not mind watching it on TV dubbed, were commercials could compensate for the licensing fees. Why ? because the older audience WOULD NOT PAY FOR IT ! Surprise ? you are to blame ! but again the japs paid for the lot who the fuck cares ! (yes i have heard that too)
So far there has been an unspoken agreement, fansubbers create some buzz around a title and the japanese studio gets to sell it abroad. It's like semi-piracy since theres something for everyone. if proper legal grounds were set to terminate major leaks: all channels of illegal distribution (for example streams and groups that don't respcect the lisecning agreement) that pose as direct competion to the the official release, that would also mean the benifits (mainly publicity) from groups who respect lisence agreements would sease too. zonganime looks like an index of links for numerous freely available anime series, that is called flooding the market.which is good when you are trying to destroy something. why did i check it out ? to see what "anime fans" use it
i will probably ignore any responce that is not an absolutlely brilliant straight to the point bullet proof argument, and i don't get many of those
lol as in you are laughing ? what on earth do you think you are doing ?
who's site is zomganime.com ? how much respect as an american do you have for copyrighted material ? anime is actually one of japan's strongest domestic products for export and zomganime.com makes it as cheap a possible
lets cut the crap, every little bored student who likes spending their time streaming anime, never having paid a penny for a manga or dvd they are not anime fans and i don't care what they claim, they are a fallacy of a market that is supposed to be the scape goat of fansubbing's prosecution
if you take a look at many fansubbing groups you will see a shit load of anime they have dropped, for the most part NOT 'cause they received some lawsuit but simply because those anime got licensed, they respect that, (along with the group that worked on Naruto in the first place)
when a site like zomganime.com makes anime available so easily and freely, they essentailly exploit all the effort ALL those people have put into translating them, since what is supposed to a fansub group's aim is TO BRING ATTENTION TO AN ANIME indicating there is market for a title. No, a fansubbing group's aim is not to make a product 100% available like its some public domain thing like Linux .
People who have worked as fansubbers HAVE indeed been hire for legit work in major american retailers, and after the 50% anime dvd sales drop in 2006 and 25% in 2007, those retailers have made cut backs on their staff since what the proper fansubbers dropped other *&(&#$ have continued, basically competing with the lisenced product costing people their jobs
lets not forget the bubble gum point "we promote anime". who on earth will spend 70 dollars on a naruto dvd box when they can DL it for free ?!
and true "anime fans" don't watch dubs and hate "fillers" ! you see people forget the simplest principal that when you are not buying what you are consuming you have no right to complain about it
naruto's arc from 150 to 220 for example, it doesn't take a genious to figure out that the majority of those episodes where made with a younger than usual audience in mind, the audience that will not mind watching it on TV dubbed, were commercials could compensate for the licensing fees. Why ? because the older audience WOULD NOT PAY FOR IT ! Surprise ? you are to blame ! but again the japs paid for the lot who the fuck cares ! (yes i have heard that too)
So far there has been an unspoken agreement, fansubbers create some buzz around a title and the japanese studio gets to sell it abroad. It's like semi-piracy since theres something for everyone. if proper legal grounds were set to terminate major leaks: all channels of illegal distribution (for example streams and groups that don't respcect the lisecning agreement) that pose as direct competion to the the official release, that would also mean the benifits (mainly publicity) from groups who respect lisence agreements would sease too. zonganime looks like an index of links for numerous freely available anime series, that is called flooding the market.which is good when you are trying to destroy something. why did i check it out ? to see what "anime fans" use it
i will probably ignore any responce that is not an absolutlely brilliant straight to the point bullet proof argument, and i don't get many of those
Thank you for writing that huge paragraph or should I say essay...on...
Now let's get to the point...
I have to disagree that if you buy dvds and manga it doesn't mean you are a "true" anime fan or anime/manga fan at all. You can enjoy it and you are an anime fan or manga fan.
Sorry to tell you that we did not "exploit all the effort ALL those people have put into translating them" we simply gave them credit and helped them receive this "credit" by linking to their videos. When you click on an anime lets say Naruto, before Dattebayo (main fan subbing group for Naruto and Bleach) had stopped or quit, that when you click on the video it does the theme song and then it says subbed by Dattebayo etc and by whom. That kind of gives the credit to them.
I have to disagree with you saying this "true anime fan" bull. Being true and untrue has nothing to do with watching anime. That's all I have to really say.
You seem so smart and you probably are but you also are racist...you said "japs". How are you respecting the anime when you are dissing the anime and being racist all over the place. If you can take the time to write a huge essay and can't take the time to finish spelling J-a-p-a-n-e-s-e then to h3ll with you.
I hope that was enough of a straight to the point for ya.
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I really love to watch anime and read manga..I'm an anime fan but i believed that true anime fan is not just buyng dvds or mangas.In my place Mangas are very expensive,as well as dvds.And as far as i know Only Naruto Manga are available in my Country...so that does mean that i'm not true anime/manga fan because i don't have any of them?
i guess this site and all the staffs are working hard to help other people(like giving credits and link)so i dont think this site is "exploiting all the effort ALL those people have put into translating them"
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While I whole heartedly support the minds behind manga and anime, a lot of licensed dub or subtitling jobs are... Shabby to say the least, that's not to say there aren't some decent ones, but in all honesty, I'm not going to pay extortionate prices for a product that's sub-par to something I can get for free.
Sure, you can get managa and anime in some places for an actual fair price, but those places are almost exclusively online for order, and that's just a hassle. If it wasn't so overpriced everywhere, I wouldn't need to download it, and also, it doesn't exactly help that the majority of what I tend to watch is difficult to track down, or just plain impossible to get over here.
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when a site like zomganime.com makes anime available so easily and freely, they essentailly exploit all the effort ALL those people have put into translating them, since what is supposed to a fansub group's aim is TO BRING ATTENTION TO AN ANIME indicating there is market for a title. No, a fansubbing group's aim is not to make a product 100% available like its some public domain thing like Linux .
I'm sorry, but this is lunacy, fansubbing groups are not, and have never been, advertising agencies for anime licensers, and often, deliver anime that we in fact cannot get over here, that, is why they do so, not to draw attention to it so someone can lap up the profits of some free advertising.
Get some perspective, you detest exploitation of copyright, but you have no problem with the financial exploitation upon the consumer by companies that push the prices sky-high due to it being a niche market and unavailable for purchase elsewhere?
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Tokyo Anime Center Posts "Stop! Fan-Subtitle" Notice
I wanna see naruto anime, and i rly DONT Wanna wait for our countries lazy subbers/dubbers (nawt dubbers. hate dubs). For fansubbers it takes 1 day to sub a episode. For a offical tv station it takes several months =/ And they always show the dubs. This is da worst shit evah.
