Asa

USA = Police State?
I know this is maybe the wrong place to discuss something like that, but after seeing some really strange videos, i can´t believe that the USA are that good like they always wanted to be seen!
I saw videos where US Police Officers beat friendly demonstrants, break there arms and legs just for fun with illegal weapons!
I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger how he wanted to be the president of the US (he saw himself as a dictator) and wanting special laws that he (a non-American) can be elected for President!
I saw how the US just let 9/11 happen without doing anything against it, cause they wanted it!
I saw how they let massacres like that on the Colombine High School happen, to get the people more scared and to get new laws, against the people and there freedom!
I saw how the US financed the Nazi-Regime in Germany....without the US and especially the family BUSH, Germany wasn´t able to go into that war!


After all seeing such cruel against humanity, i can´t think that this world is going to a time of peace , cause nobody with power want freedom for the people. Everyone is going to be a slave for their country! Ur country will know everything u do and what u will do, cause they observed u and now they have personalized u, they know every kilometer/mile u drive, where u drive, how often and so on!
And with the new RFID chips (yeahhh the USA and Germany are the first to have them...*puke*) they don´t need ur car to detect u or know where u drive to...u will have a chip under ur skin that will tell them everything!

This bring back memories, when i read 1984 by George Orwell....and thought that this is insane and will never happen...12 years later(after reading it) it is the actual state!

hmmm maybe i´m just paranoid, but i want to know if u have the same thoughts or if u think that i´m a crazy european that don´t know what he is talking about...at least i got some videos for u if u really don´t know from what i´m talking about! If u have the time plz watch them, i know this isn´t a funny anime, u have to switch on ur brains when u see that documentarys and after seeing it u will maybe feel a bit scared or something like that but plz watch them and share ur thougths plz!

This is no affront against any American here in this forum or elsewhere it´s all about the goverment i just want ur opinons....to understand....

and btw. Michael Moore sux...he dosn´t know shit (i really think he work for bush, or just wanted money and fame) cause everything he said was broadcasted on cnn and fox earlier....he didn´t find something new

Gojyo

Asa, your a nice guy and all, but some of what you are saying is pretty slanderous. Such as saying the U.S. provided funding for the Nazi's without providing any proof. Even if that were the case, isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? I won't even bring up the atrocities that were committed by your people during World War II because I don't think it would be fair to you since it was long before you were even born.

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hmm the U.S. funding the Nazi regime and helping a dictator rise to power THEN go to war against said dictator and we did this for kicks or something the president said "hmm the japenese are going to attack,my poker buddy Hitler said so i know ill let them,then ill join the war because Hitler didn't pay up" thats about how much sense that article made to me although Micheal Moore does suck and 9/11 was almost defiantly a plot by Bush and i have never heard of police officers randomly beating peaceful protesters those videos you saw were probably out of complete context or just plain staged or made up trust me people go through those lengths to get people believe what the believe and wtf about arnold ive never heard this and we did not let colombine happen that is just plain jacked up to say and i may be only 13 but i know about all of the past tragedies and have read up on them more than the average adult so im not just saying this out of some misguided patriotism.


that entire statement was basically a culmination of every conspiracy theory i have ever heard Asa you now officially suck even if this was just some hot headed speech and you didnt mean what you said you just demeaned an entire nation and you cant say that you don't mean to affront anyone when you say all this

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Asa

It is proved like u can see in the videos....
That´s why i was so shocked...everything i say in my first post is that i have seen this all...and i really couldn´t believe it at first...but in the end i don´t know what to believe....
German Nazis has a lot of money in US Banks ....without a special "ingredient" deliverd by a US Oil-Company the German Airforce couldn´t fly...IBM delieverd the "computer-systems" over the whole war...
it were such things i was wondering about and many more....
plz see the video if u don´t belive

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Asa

i don´t mean the nation...i mean the goverment...and it´s not like something like this never happend anywhere else

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Brandonel1

well the goverment does kinda suck but thats only because of bush i mean its sad when half the world would say your presidents the devil and most of us would agree but still i dont think we funded the nazis or beat innocent people the cultural backlash of doing that would be humongous i mean rodney king was 1 man so an entire crowd of people doing nothing that would bring this wrath upon them would certainly cause some alarm because the police are citizens of the U.S. and you say they would just beat people

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Asa

that´s only that what i saw on these videos...u can watch them if u want....
all i wanted to know was if this is the truth or just a bad joke and if someone has seen something like that for real
i know that u can manipulate videos easily..that´s why i hope that this, what i saw in these videos is like u said before "out of content" or something like that

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Well, I had similar thoughts like that. But I don't think they actually make it happen. Letting it happen is also hard, because there has to be some kind of order, for example, "let the Columbine Massacre happen", and there would be at least one who would not obey that, for human lives are on scale. I rather think it's just the people. There are people there who are willing to do anything in the "land of freedom" just to get their 15 minutes of fame. This results in events, just like said Columbine Massacre or 9/11. These events scare the people, make them insecure. This has several advantages, for example, they buy anything that makes them less scared. Scared people are furthermore not prone to revolt, for there are too many opinions, too many ways to solve the matter, it is hard to rally them. In that way, I would really say Asa is quite right, in my opinion it is a significant problem of the US.

Concerning this the-US-sponsored-the-nazis-thing... wtf? Is it just me, or does it sound really far-fetched? And how is it proved? No, I won't watch the video, just tell me what's that all about, it sounds like some conspiracy theory, I liked this stuff when I was 14, but not anymore.

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If everyone knows i killed naga but no one have proof am i guilty ?
Same with america dudes...

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Your my friend Asa, but where are you pulling this shit from? Because it must be straight out of your ass.

First off, about the U.S. financing the Nazi party. What the hell? The U.S. took heavy casualties from that war. Why on earth would be want that? It took a huge amount of our copper supply and put a dent in our economy, that still has an affect on our economy, that your country started. No other country's citizens elected Hitler into power and allowed him to gain absolute power. And how the hell does Bush have anything to do with it? The first Bush president didn't reach presidency until about 50 years after World War 2.

Now.. How did we "let" columbine happen? Did we plan for some mentally-disturbed moronic kids to go on a senseless killing rampage in their high school only to kill themselves afterward? I think not. And what laws did that create against people's freedom? The ones they made to increase gun control and keeping them away from teenagers? Yeah, that's a really freedom-infringing.

Now about "Letter 9/11 Happen." How the fuck do we stop high-jackets from crashing large passenger jets into public buildings? No one knew it was happening, until the first plane made impact. It was only by an extremely rare chance that it was captured on video. There was a fireman that was having his story video-taped because he was retiring or something like that, and they were outside with the camera right when the plane went into the building. How do we "let" it happen when no one knew about it. We know NOW that it was Al-Qaeda. Osama Bin-Laden himself said he planned it out on one of those videos he released where he filmed killing U.S. soldiers.

Exactly when did Arnold Schwarzenegger "see himself as dictator." When did he want a special law to allow him presidency? He is a republican, and as a republican, he knows that he can't run for president. Because he was born in Austria, not the U.S. He may say he would have liked to, but he knows he can't change that law.

Okay, you saw videos of Officers beating someone. Alright? What does that mean? Nothing. Just because they work with the police doesn't mean they are good. Not everyone is honest. While most cops are good, it doesn't mean all cops are. Some join the force for the wrong reasons. Those few cops you saw beating someone can't represent a whole country. This is in every country, even in your little Germany. People everywhere abuse others, and abuse their powers. There is some police officer in every country that beats someone.

Seriously. what the fuck is up with this?

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Don't you ever say something about America being a Police State and expect us to not think you've got no affront against any American in the forum or elsewhere. The government still counts as elsewhere. All those people are still Americans.

You've officially reached the fucked in the ass at the bottom of the ocean low point. Never say something so stupid again, unless you plan on getting your ass down here and seeing for yourself how hard Americans have it without other countries accusing of doing shit.

Though I must say that America is a weird country. We issue the Monroe Doctrine, stating that all European powers must stay out of the Americas because we'll protect them if they dare come back to take over the free countries of Latin America. Next thing the latinos know, we're taking their land by force. I bet Europe is still pissed as shit about that. America is still showing a few signs of Imperialism and Capitalism here and there. Or at least, that's what appears to be happening. Our soldiers may not realize it, but they're getting themselves buried into a war we have no business being in to begin with.

Also, we did "beat innocent people". The people who gave us this land, the Native Americans. Nowadays, you only see them in reservations, because they don't want my people to be running around. They were only barbaric because they were pushed to the brink of extinction. And it is the white man, whom I am sadly 1/3 member of, that pushed them.

As for WWII, the U.S. did give weapons and money to all sides until the Zimmerman Note was found. When that was discovered, we with-held all trade with Germany alone. When they started attacking us again with their U-boats, we withdrew completely from the war until 1941, when we joined the war.

Also, if the police wanted to beat the innocent, they wouldn't use illegal weapons, for one, and they wouldn't do it on tape. Nobody's that stupid.

And who gives a shit about Arnold? He was a good actor, he's a good governor, and the fact that he's pressing for the allowance of Non-American people to be allowed to hold office as president is a nice idea. After all, in 1010 A.D., William of Normandy, a French ruler, conquered England because there was a disagreement that he was the true heir for the British throne. And people actually were perfectly fine under his rule.

Any other fucking questions you might have, Asa...Or anyone else...*eats 5 litters worth of kittens*

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Ur actually completely right asa, there is actual proof that americans financed the germans in world war 2, & profited from it & that there profiting from the war in iraq, theres a movie called zeitgeist, that keeps getting banned from youtube, it is split up in to three sections & i think the second 2 sections out of the three are based solely on exposing americas government & shows all the evadence behind it, also since 9/11 a new law was passed anyone in america can now be taken into custody under suspision of terrism at anytime in the name of ur saftey & ur president has admitted to torturing terror suspects & claims that its all a-ok, i dont mean to offend i hav no problem wiv the american people whove done nothing wrong but this the government were talking about here & its got nothing to wiv kicking ppls arses, this is bad shit & even if u really dont think this is true then its definatly worth doing some research on it for yourselfs

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Asa

hmm like i thought no one watched the videos...and i´m not really good in english...maybe thats why something sound strange from me..cause i don´t know how to say it else..
maybe the wish that u watch a 2 and a half hour long video is too big...there u cann see it and again...i wanted to know if that what i see on these vidoes is faked or not...they are from an journalist..Alex Jones from Austin, Texas...maybe u know him and also know that he is insaneor something else...it´s not like i have wrote my post out of my head..it´s all on these video fom him

itshows how NORAD did nothing over 80 minutes on 9/11...normalythey bring other aircrafts down in 10 minutes
it shows interviews in magazines with Arnold Schwarzenegger, wher he is saying that he dreamd of being a person like jesus (more with the cult around him) or a dictator...he says "95 % of humanity need to be told what they have to do" and stuff like that

and yes i know what germany did 60 years ago and that it was cruel and all that and the only thing i hoping is that something like that will never happen anywhere on the world again (but after seing that video i´m a little bit afraid what will happen in the next 5 years)
and yes avan like u said..we elcted hitler......after he burned down our "Reichsttag"(where the goverment sits) and said that it were communists who burned it down...and we should lay all the power in his hands and he will bring ous freedmon against that terror and all that....and sometimes it just looks like this will happen again

but like i said one or twice...i can´t explain such a long video
and it really was the wrong place....

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