QuieT.StorM

Dude, they cant do anything about piracy at all, think about the music piracy issue years ago with P2P programs, no matter what they do, they wont eliminate piracy, the point was that they're going about it the wrong way. Even if we are in the wrong, if they buy the liscence they shouldn't automatically assume that people are going to buy it from them for no reason. It doesn't matter if people are in the wrong or not, they're going to go for what they think better suits them. We already went over why no one buys the goods from the companies, so it this point you're just arguing the ethics over how it's wrong.

Well honestly, no one gives a shit, what kind of idiot would buy some low quality product when they can get one that's 100x better YEARS before the official one comes out. It's that simple. it may be wrong but they can't stop, even if they tried. Again, remember how death note CND turned out? They can't do anything but throw around threats to the fansubbers, but even then there are tons of underground subs. No one is going to listen to them unless they AT LEAST make a reasonable upgrade in their products which would get rid of the need of piracy.

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Makes me mad...
Luckily we got some pretty dedicated people.
Its likely that its always somewere on the internet no matter how often they delete it.

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Known fact, nothing released on the internet can ever be fully deleted.

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Music has been going wild for ages, and it originally started with napster...over time napster got hit. Now is limewire, and anyone who uses limewire can contain any virus/bug easily. So now there is torrenting, the reason torrenting isn't going to be taken down is because a lot of legal sites use it as well as illegal sites. Unless they start cracking down on torrenting and then something will be changed. You don't realize that if they tried they can easily very well get rid of it.

How? Because it's shit? Doesn't matter...


They want what's free, and if they take away something that you're supposed to buy from then of course they're going to think it suits them better....That doesn't mean it can stop liscense holders from having them taken down easily. Right now, most of them don't care if they're shit is thrown around or not seeing as they get enough income because of such a huge fanbase for it and getting income either way.

And here lies the first post.
This is the main topic, and I'm trying to point out WHY they take away the anime. Because of course, they want it taken down if they don't want it up. And apparently it can happen. Because they find it wrong and in truth it is wrong.


Because they enjoy the product with their money spent? You forget people are different and calling someone stupid because they buy a product you don't find high of quality is...well...obviously harsh in another sense. It's like an argument I had with my cousin about MMO's. He finds it stupid for people to play simple free mmo's and are enjoying it when they could play better for example like WoW. He doesn't realize that people can enjoy simple things without having to dish out money and can get their MMO fix and still enjoy it. People have preferences, and if they enjoy it. That's their decision, not yours.

Don't really listen in on anime news so I wouldn't know how it turned out exactly besides how you pointed it out a few posts back.

Even if things are REALLY good there is going to be somewhere where you can pirate it for free, the reason they don't take it down or anything is because they don't care to look. If they really wanted to, they can easily have it taken down.

Remember how everyone complained how you had to have an ONLINE connection to actually register and play the game Bioshock? Yeah, people were pretty ticked at that because it made pirating for it tons harder. Don't know how it works now, I'm sure someone found a way. But even then, the fact that they upgrade on things makes pirating harder every so often.



If someone comes out with something SO great, and then people pirate for it. All it takes is for the company to get pissed off and ravage over it. And the site holding these things will get found. You don't hear about this stuff because they still get their income if it's shit or not, and all hell will be loose...and a lot of fans of that product will not be happy if the company decides to make a drastic decision.

Now, think about it if all the liscense holders of the anime this place or broadcast anime is showing want all their stuff taken off. You'd have to resort to other means, which would tick you and everyone else off. Thus making it another percentage harder and harder to find.

Underground sites can hide for only so long unless people start spreading the name out, then it isn't underground. And it becomes an open target.


But it can be made harder and harder to find to the point where people will stop looking.


I semi-hate the "preview post" now............

Also, sorry if I misspell anything or your name or if some things were cut... I was busy talking with someone else and typing this as well.

And also, if I sound assy...mah bad and sorry.

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Well in my opinion people are selfish and look out for themselves so they want all the money thats why they dont like their stuff online even as a sample because they rather you buy it cuz after that is not their problem if you liked it or not

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That's pretty much the truth.....

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Dude they cant get rid of piracy at all, there are legal sites out there that provide full tracks that are easy to get. Jamglue for instance gives out tracks illegally. It's not possible to stop piracy, people are even setting up direct downloads for illegal things now.

And it does matter if its shit quality because people wont stop downloading until they give out something worth using. That's why it will always matter about the quality of their work.

As for people being idiots when they go out and buy something that is shit quality, it IS idiotic to waste money on something when you can get it for FREE. That has nothing to do with MMOs or what people prefer because the one that's better in that case is WoW which costs money. Completely irrelevant.

And the point about improving their product isnt to eliminate piracy, it's to decrease the need for it. It's out everywhere on every forum. Companies like funimation produce crap products. If they produced something worth getting people would get it. It would decrease piracy, of course people would still pirate, but it would significantly increase the number of supporters they have.

And there are more fans then there are corporates. They aren't going to ever shut down pirateing unless they take away rights over the net. And that wont happen any time soon. There will always be an easier way to get it for free, and I mean ALWAYS so unless they produce other means of getting customers Anime on the net will remain the same. You know yourself how many fans there are, as you stated it in your reply.

The point is that they need better products and they cant stop fansubbers, even if they try to shut them down, same goes for music. There are more fans than there are corporates it's that simple.

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And you know what would happen if those people found out about that site? Take a guess. Never heard of that site btw.


............This is turning into a "broken record" argument....

You didn't get my point did you?

That's what you said..

^Part of what I said, the WoW thing was in relation to the argument even if it was about something else. So, it wasn't irrelevant either way. It helped prove my point seeing as the argument was about the same in a sense.

The fact that they spend money to a company they enjoy just means they want to support them. I'd rather buy my stuff than to pirate it so I could support them.

I've never found Funimation to produce anything "crappy" =/ It's a big company as I see it and has a lot of supporters. So either way they get their income and could care less about their stuff being thrown around.

Who holds the power over that stuff though? I know I don't. Just because there are more fans than corporates means jack shit to them. That just means they will recieve income left or right whether they care or not about piracy.

Money speaks louder than words, and if money speaks in the right direction. You'd be surprised what would happen. Corporates have more money than Fans btw. So Guess who wins either way if action were to be taken?

I'm pretty much done, not a whole lot more I can say really unless I start repeating myself. I'm about at a dead end really.
Ah well, good arguing with you really. Tons better than most I argue with really.

If I continue I wouldn't really be saying anything except repeats so it'd just be a waste of time.

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I agree with you but....you have to think of the money that they are losing when this happens to them.

It would stink if you made this pwnage awesome famous all popular anime and everyone loves it but they have to buy it and somehow it got leaked on the web all the episodes and you lost about a few million and now your almost bankrupted? That would stink and all that hard work wasted.

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Right, I was going to point out all your stupid comments in this post when I first saw the thread. Then I got bored and forgot about it.

Anyway, here I go again (I've numbered the points, so you can see what I'm responding to.):-

1) Because they own the anime not you, so you can't call it your anime, actually it's their anime and they can do what the hell they like with it. Think about it; if it is redily avaliable online, then no one will actually want to buy it. Also it's a crazy thing known as the law.
2) Clearly you havn't actually met the real world. I know lots and lots of people who wouldn't dream of wasting there money buying stuff if they knew that they could just download or watch an as good copy online.
3) You're one in a million, I'm sure that there are very few members that have actually bought every series that they've watched online. And like you said, you haven't bought everything that you've watched, that means that you've taken bussness away from the ones that you havn't bought from.
4) Your book is wrong, the world doesn't work like that. Ever heard of a trailer.
5) No they just need to make money like everyone else. I could say the same about you, why have you not bought everything that you've watched, because it would be too expencive. And you know it so don't say that it would be otherwise because then I'll just know that you're lieing. Also, they've done something to get the rights to these anime, they've paid money, they are taking a gamble that people will want this. Everyone has to make money.


I know I can be rude & opinionated, but maybe you should think about what your saying before you post it. Maybe you will get a bunch of thickies going "o yeah! ur soooo right!! They should all go away" without actually thinking about what you've written, but all your points are so flaured. You actually haven't thought about them before putting them down. Really, think about it, it's not hard to see these things.



Oh, and while I'm on it ...:-
QuieT.StorM:-
Really you should stop posting while you're ahead (or behind in this case) You know that everything that you've just said in your last post just made you look bad and stupid. I'm sure your not stupid ¬__¬ so really you should stop getting so wound up about this.



Also, kudos to anyone who actually bothered to read my whole reply, I noticed that people on here seem to just get bored with actually reading what other people write, and ignore the middle of their post.

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Now let me just point out a couple of things.
1.I don't give a shit about the LAW!!!
2.Clearly I have met the real world because I don't download anime like the stupid people U know.
3.Hell at least I try & help to buy from the liscence holders unlike some people who sit there all day & download it for free.
4.No U are wrong, ever heard test driving a car before U buy.Walking around a store that has free samples of food so u can TRY BEFORE U BUY.
5.Money that all this stupid world thinks about.If you aint got money U aint shit in this world.Thats basically how this world works.

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sorry to revive this but ive just got off the phone and a friend of mines has just told me about an argument he had and won with his ISP, he had got a email warning for downloading speed grapher.

This was his first of the 3 warnings they give you... so being the great minded man he is he phoned up and complained, they said they caught him downloading copyrighted material, he replied in depth of where when and how much the speed grapher dvds cost him that he bought the week before, he then demanded that if he has to pay over 20 pound for 4 episodes they could atleast give him a recovery method of getting the episodes back if the disk gets scratched or broken, blah blah

after that bit he said, now that u know i own the DVD's Before i downloaded my back up copy (he said its quicker to download the eps then rip and rencode them) i request that you remove my warning and contact me the next time this happens as if it occurs once more i will be reporting it to a higher athourity.


just had to tell you all this as that right there is epic win-ness

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