Furanshisu917

well i could exist because i said so...and everyone knows what i say goes haha j/k j/k

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PlagueZXS

Cisco your never going to get a rational answer for God existing because even the church it self says that part of having faith is believing in God without explicit proof of him being a real entity. You should stop holding so much hate for those who decide to believe in a God. Surely not all of them try to force their beliefs on you, but I'm sure many of them would be offended either way by your comments. Your basically going out looking for a fight since you too are putting your beliefs on others that idiotic scared men are the ones who created God.

Bob_V

this is meaningless

btw, i used to be Lutheran, then i started to think about the stuff i believed and came the conclusion that if God exists, then he is evil. and here is my reasoning (its not suited for a forum, but i dont feel like modifying it to fit better. right now it is in essay format)

If I were to tell you that God is evil, you would probably respond by saying "yeah...wait what?" (Grif, Red Vs Blue, Ep. 100). but that is exactly what i am about to argue. to begin, i must establish that the Holy Bible says that God is perfect. most of my arguments stem from this fact, so it is vital that i mention it here. i will begin by defining the word perfect, and describe how this relates to God. next, i will discuss choice. and finally, i will talk of descrimination.

Perfection is defined as A) being without flaw B) accurate, exact. if you are completely without flaw, then you can never make a mistake. in the same way, God can never make a mistake. if God can never make a mistake, then God must be able to determine the results of his actions before he makes them. in other words, he can predict the future, and because he cant make a mistake, his predictions must always be true. now that i have that established we can move on. Now, the Bible also says that God created man in his image. psychology tells us that in order to be perfect, one must veiw themselves exactly how they are. therefore, God created man exactly like him, both physically and mentally, because God is perfect. Now, when man ate the forbidden fruit, God cast them out of Eden. Because god is perfect and can predict the future, God must have known that Man would sin if he gave them the ability to choose. The Bible also says that God created the heavens, the Earth, and everything on the earth. the last thing he created was mankind. all of this took six days. Now after he “finished” creating the Earth, he took the seventh day off. Yet the Earth wasn’t really finished, it has many problems still. There are really only two reasonable explanations for why he would take this final day off. The first possibility is that he is lazy. The second is that he did not wish to remove them, because he wanted the creatures of Earth to suffer. Because God is perfect, God cannot be lazy, because laziness is a flaw. therefore, we must conclude that God wished the creatures of Earth to suffer. Since the time of Earths creation, man has done significant damage to the Earth, starting by eating the forbidden fruit and getting themselves and every other being cast out of Eden, and more recently, pollution, nuclear bombs, and the destruction of most of Earths forests. And again, because God is perfect, he must have known that mankind would damage the world that he created, and eventually will be the cause of its destruction. Now we have to ask ourselves, why would he create something, just to have it destroyed by another of his creations? Now, the bible also says that God is good, but can’t be true, unless of course he isn’t perfect. But since we are assuming he is perfect, than the only reasonable possibility is that God is not good, but he is in fact evil.

Now, I know that some of you are going to argue that God is good, because he created Earth with the ability of choice. But I believe you are forgetting that he also created heaven. Whereas we have the choice to believe that he exists or to believe that he doesn’t, on the other hand, the angels have no choice, they are forced into obeying God, and the only one ever to attempt to defy God was instantly cast down into the pits of Hell. Yes I am referring to Lucifer, more commonly known as the Devil. So at best, you can only argue that God is neutral, although if he was neutral, he probably wouldn’t have created either world. Since we are on the topic of heaven and hell, we must discuss Jesus and the idea of being forgiven for our sins. As most of you know, the bible says that Jesus died for our sins. But why did God send his only son to die for our sins, when it would have been easier to just say “Hey, I know that you guys have messed up a lot, but don’t worry I forgive you.”? The answer is that God wished us to feel that he sacrificed something when he forgave us. In reality, because Jesus just went back to heaven where he originated, the only real effect that it had was dividing the Jewish religion, which resulted in multiple Holy Wars (i.e. the crusades). Now during these Holy Wars, God made no attempt to end the fighting, instead, he just sat by and watched.

This brings me to my next point. As humans, we consider discrimination as bad, if not evil. Yet we seem to apply this view only when it involves other humans. We would never accuse God of discrimination. But maybe we should, because he does it all the time. For example, when God created heaven and earth, he gave his most prized creation, mankind, the ability to choose and he created man in his image, but he didn’t give the angels anything even close to these. This is a clear example of favoritism, which is a form of discrimination. Another example of Gods discrimination was creating mankind with minds much more advanced than any other animal on earth. Again this is favoritism. Even among his favorites, he discriminates. The most obvious example of this discrimination is heaven and hell. The bible says that god forgave us of our sins, but he only forgives those of us who acknowledge his existence. In other words, those people who believe in him go to heaven without a glance at whether they actually deserve to be there, while those who don’t go to hell in the same fashion. An example of this is if someone, we’ll call him Jim, killed five hundred people, and then in jail, he was converted and then said, “I’m sorry god; I know that what I did was wrong. Please forgive me.” Meanwhile, Bob never intentionally harms anyone, and lives his life to the highest moral code, his only flaw is that he doesn’t go to church, because he doesn’t believe in God. Now who should go to heaven? The obvious choice is Bob, but yet Bob doesn’t go to heaven, no it is Jim who goes, while Bob is sent to Hell for all eternity. This is like a judge who sends person A to jail for stealing a purse, but not sending person B, even though he robbed a bank, just because person B is his friend. If you can’t see the discrimination here, I’m not going to waste my time trying to point it out.

In conclusion, i have provided evidence of Gods discrimination, discussed the issue of choice, and described how perfection relates to God. based on this evidence, and the assumption that God is perfect, i conclude that God is evil. and if I have still not convinced you that God is evil, then i give up. believe what you wish, your opinion isnt really important anyway. i dont care if you think im a great hero, or im a mentally unstable lunatic who needs to be locked up, either way, i disagree. even if God is evil, there is nothing any of us can do about it, so it doesnt really matter. besides i dont believe that God is evil anyway, mostly due to the fact that i dont believe in God, but thats not the point. "In closeing someone died, vote for me." (Simmons, Red Vs Blue).


kosher beat me too it but i have some stuff in here that he didnt mention.

Bob_V

if everyone went around using faulty logic like this, human beings would be demoted from being the most intelligent animal on the planet

Bob_V

i dont know about cisco, but as for myself its not so much that i hate those who believe in God, its more that i hate everyone

Bob_V

just so you know, these were put together because they are the arguments that are commonly used for why god exists, not because they are actual reasons why he must exist. they were compiled by a bunch of atheists. if you paid attention to the url u would have realizes this as well (hopefully). note the word "godless." and the title of the site is atheists of silicon valley. so by posting that url all you did was harm your side by showing us all of the flawed arguments for why god must exist. i could go on, but i think ive made my point

Cisco44

Ok bob please don't triple post. Lol
Also i fully agree with your 1st post, that is a very well wrote text. I agree, but if I we're to read it again I could probably find something wrong, but since I am lazy I wont. Also Plague I dont hate christens, if you read my text I said never implied them all I only implied the ignorant ones. I hate ignorant people, they're stupid. I'm more then willing to open my self up to new experiences, while some christens aren't. Also I'm also very well that ignorance isn't just that.

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Furanshisu917

cisco u arent gonna believe what i saw on tv today. the 'jesus christians' they eat out of bins live in mobile homes and believe they can live for free, they are against spending money in anyway to enjoy urself and think wasting food is a sin....they laid a guilt trip on a 9 year old saying shes helping the devil increase starvation in the world because she wouldnt eat her left over bananas from the night before... NOW HOWS THAT FOR EXTREMISIM EH ?? lets just put it this way, i never wanna see one

Oh and to bob, this is ur first warning about double/ triple posting, please learn to use the edit button and pm me if u have any problems.
but be warned as next time i wont be so kind

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Defjammer610

i'm the future pope thats all i got to say ...thank you for reading

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Satsu

I think that the main problem is, that too many folks are trying to understand something, which human minds simply cannot fathom. Good/Evil or Male/Female, these are concepts which have no bearing when dealing with something that is incorporeal, something that is older than time itself.

It's like an amoeba trying to understand humanity. There's such a scale difference that no matter how hard the amoeba might try, it's never going to understand what makes a human tick.

As for perfection, again, something that humanity, because of its flawed nature cannot understand. We may strive for it, but even if we were to attain it, we'd most likely destroy it again, shortly after gaining it (discounting a few possible exceptions to that rule).

There are questions which can never be fully answered, doesn't mean that one shouldn't try, but that one needs to understand that the "perfect" answer will never come to be, because of changing situations and permutations.

Even two simple questions like:
Who are you?
What do you want?

The answer will eventually change.

In the end, admitting that you don't know everything, is the true first step towards enlightment and becoming something more than what you are now.

hoboX10

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watch.

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I am a Baptist and a firm believer. I just think that people that read the Bible and follow it's word will never come off as mean or judgmental because that is not what the Bible teaches.

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PlagueZXS

Well i can tell you right now that is not true as i have met many people who have read the bible and yet they do come off as mean and many of them are also judgmental. So i wouldn't say anyone who does won't be, but the same can be said of people who don't read the bible or follow a religion.

valkynaz

*walks into topic*

*head ASPLODES*

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Benawolnow

Well, people who read the bible because they want to learn more about their religion. Like my sig says, humans have doubts and mistakes that is what makes humans, humans.

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