"God"

**Cisco44** · 02-10-2008, 05:28 PM

O.K. The reason this topic is because, it has to do with religion so if you get offended by what I say or think that problem is your not mine, if you want to flame me be my guest I personally don't give a shit. Just so you all know, I don't believe in "God", I don't believe in him for various reasons, but thats something I decided a long time ago. You are warned.

So lets get started... Lets start of with the ignorance of the "catholics", the reason thats spelt it like that is because I don't believe that all catholics are like what I'm about to say I do on the other hand believe the there is a part of the catholic population is. I was catholic, so don't go saying I'm an ignorant little prick who doesn't give anything a chance, I may have never read the bible, I may have not gone to church every Sunday, but I believed like so many before me. I had faith, but I gave it up, why? I gave it up,because I thought it didn't make sence and to me it didn't, I always heard people preaching about how "God" was perfect,but perfection is impossible, because its totally contradictory. For "God" to be perfect it would have to be the kindest person yet the meanest at the same time, it would have to be perfectly good and evil at the same time. It would have to be the perfect man and the perfect women at the same time. I found it to be impossible for such a being to exist.

So I renounced my beliefs, yet because of that I became an outcast. This started with my dad, he could not accept the fact that I didn't believe and started to force me to either believe or never to speak of it again. I wasn't allowed to manifest my own thoughts in my own house, I felt horrible. What was worse is that I felt angry, started to hate and I was becoming ignorant. The worse thing about it all is that my dad never forced me into religion I was spoused to be allowed to chose... This was only the beginning of the start of the long road that I still chose to walk upon. All of these sentiments we're keep to a minimum while I stayed in Canada, since I was at a age and I lived in a country where religion wasn't practised a lot.

Then... I moved to Portugal, and the Portuguese population, has to be on of the most close minded, ignorant & religious populations in existence. Thats where everything started to go down hill, it wasn't bad enough I didn't speak the language I was also stuck in a country where people looked down on you if you said you didn't believe. It wasn't as much as the children, as the adults, but I always felt tense. I was forced to go to church when I didn't want anything to do with it and I still am, I also am forced to attend religious classes. Although I hated every moment of it, I'm grateful, since those classes and the people only backed up my theory. Religion is one of the most common way of brainwashing, manipulation & discrimination.

I also intend on telling you about them in the text. Anyways on with the story... I have watched many religious movies, trying to comprehend the religion, I've listened to many people discussing religion, including my mother, I've read history books about the catholics, and I've contemplated many thoughts about it. In the end tho all I saw was hatred. In the past, there has many an large amount of wars, provoked by religion. There has been many cults made, like the crusaders, who say that they support & defend the beliefs of "Gods" existence, yet all they did was massacre people who didn't share they're same beliefs. Religion was the 1st known discrimination. Not colour or ***, these we're just consequences of the discrimination that religion made. You see, the catholic religion like so many others states that "God" must be man, I totally oppose this since, no one has ever seen "God", therefor we should think that "God" could either be man or women, yet they still say it. So on the behave of the ignorance & testosterone of all man I apologize to all women, for men being so ignorant on that subject.

That is one of the many faults of religion, back to the "crusaders". You see catholics deposed of people who didn't believe in "God" since they posed a threat to the power that the church has obtained. The church used excuses like demons, to try to "justify" they're actions, and our ancestors believed them. During the 14th to 16th century, man entered the renaissance age, this is when men started to care more about intelligence, and art. So men started to study more, and with more intelligence came more opinions about the church and how it broke it's on morals. The church was a source of power, and many greedy men wanted that kind of power and since those man had friends in the

**Furanshisu917** · 02-10-2008, 05:42 PM

This is one really long long post lol, but i have yet to see a duscussion on this it just looks like a complete slay of religion (since you havent stated what u want to discuss that is, just edit that in)

**Cisco44** · 02-10-2008, 05:58 PM

Better? Now you know a bit of what to expect.

**Furanshisu917** · 02-10-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisco44

Better? Now you know a bit of what to expect.

yeah but ur post seems to been cut off at the end for some reason :S

**Cisco44** · 02-10-2008, 06:20 PM

O_o| Dont ask me whats wrong..
FFS THE BASTERD OF A SYSTEM CUT SOME OF MY POST!!

**Benawolnow** · 02-10-2008, 07:19 PM

There was a bug on the forums so I couldn't post my 566 reasons/proof why/how god exists. But since it was probably too long I'll give you the site instead :

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

**prince_vegeta** · 02-11-2008, 12:39 AM

I don't think there is a god but I do believe there is some thing out there in the after life.

**KosherKrackers** · 02-11-2008, 01:15 AM

Quote:

There was a bug on the forums so I couldn't post my 566 reasons/proof why/how god exists. But since it was probably too long I'll give you the site instead :

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

I see no reason there, I see a lot of words and no sense.

Allow me to actually make some sense, I don't believe in god, I don't believe there is one, has ever been one, etc, etc, and my main beef is with creationism.

Since creation reflects the character and purpose of the creator, I can have confidence that the said creator, if indeed there is one, is a vicious, heartless, capricious bastard, and a blundering fool. Well okay, if you say so. I'll actually reason my belief, unlike your page Benawolnow:

Ichneumonidae, phorid flies, Ebola Zaire, Lyssavirus, Plasmodium falciparum, Rickettsia prowazekii, male lions, chimpanzee hunting... hell, just about any predator-prey and parasite-host relationship. Vicious.

Diarrhoeal diseases alone kill three million children under five each year -- six a minute on average. They are caused by organisms extremely well adapted to their lifestyles: which therefore were created to live that way. Plasmodium falciparum kills millions more people each year. Its life cycle has all the intricacy and complexity that, when found elsewhere, is attributed by creationists to the hand of god. God, therefore, created organisms that by their very existence kill millions of people. To say nothing of the rest of nature. A few more names: trypanosomes, schistosomes, group A streptococcus, Lassa, Marburg, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, influenza, hookworks, tapeworms, flukes... need I go on? Because I could, with a few dozen more... Heartless

Mammalian (eg bat) tidal respiration vs avian through-flow; cephalopod non-countercurrent gills vs countercurrents in a host of other situations; cetacean tail flukes horizontal vs fish vertical flukes; vertebrate detachable retina vs cephalopod retina; nautilus lensless eyes; pouches on marsupials but not penguins... Capricious.

Bastard:
See above; value judgement on the creator of such things. That would be the least we'd call a person who directly caused such suffering, yet a 'loving', 'caring' god is supposed to be praised for such creations?

The route of the recurrent laryngeal nerve; marsupial birth not straight into the pouch; human foetal blood circulation; mouthparts on non-feeding insect adults; unusable wings on beetles that do not need to fly; eyes that do not work in creatures that do not need eyes at all since they live in total darkness; specialised pharyngeal teeth in a fish, but no gut bacteria or enzymes to then digest the food; external testes in humans, leading to inguinal hernias; the human appendix and third molars... Blundering fool.

Is this a deity you actually want to defend?

Most all other aspects of god are pure acts of faith, logic and rationale need not apply, but with creationism, one can actually evaluate things, and make accurate and logical conclusions.

And I used to be a mormon before I actually started thinking about what exactly it was I believed in.

**PlagueZXS** · 02-12-2008, 07:16 AM

Yeah that site trying to prove God's existence is quite a bit of load i have heard of some those "hypothesis" if you think you can even call them that which they sure aren't. Cisco even though topic is suppose to be God you seem to have a great hate of everything religious. While you say you don't judge them all you really are seeing as the harsh judgments you cast on religion it self due to the ignorant fools who make it seem much worse than it is. You ,much like i use to think, are misguided in your angry and while we can easily blame religion it truly is man at fault here. Religion in its true form is merely doctrines and virtues, philosophy if you will, about how to live a righteous life. I think the stories it told through are merely the vessel through which they try to communicate the ideas. Just hope you can understand regardless if theres a God or not the ideas presented in the Bible and such are not bad though some misguided people may interpret them in the wrong way.

**Skotophagotis** · 02-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Haha, I loved that link, twas good entertainment, but there's so maaaany. o.o;

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Originally Posted by PlagueZXS

philosophy if you will, about how to live a righteous life.

^ agreed.
Yeah, I have absolutely no view on religion. I used to love it... when I was young. Then I hated it when I was a young teenager. Now I think the writers had good intentions behind it, but the weak human mind takes things way to seriously and now we have religious zealots.

I think the best example of when religion was probably at its peak would be the Renaissance in Europe. They used the bible to inspire them, to let them lead good healthy lives so when they're old and dying they won't regret things.

If I cared to believe there was a God(s/esses maybe) I would just accept that all the evil things were made by him/her/it because it provides balance. I mean, really, we have... What's the current human count? Over 6 billion maybe. If we didn't have those "evil" predator we'd be even more cramped. That's probably the only reason I support huuuge wars: depopulation. I sound heartless, I know, but its necessary.
But I don't have much care about believing in a higher being, so, whatever.

**Cisco44** · 02-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Ok lets get this one started:
1. God isn't reasons therefor even if reason exists that doesn't mean god does. (this is bullshit)
2. Just because someone says something it doesn't make is so. (yet again another pile of bull)
3. To define something doesn't mean it exists, its just a definition. (bullshit again)
4. Perfection is contradictory, therefor it's impossible, so to be perfect is to not to exist.(again)
5. For something to be necessary you must meed it to live, humans have lived without faith.
6. No one knows what universe is, or how it was made, that doesn't mean theres a god.
7. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, if god made it then we would all be god.
Must I really go on?, All of this is shit. I'm more then willing to prove this all wrong. Should I?
8. Praying won't cure you, for all we know the treatments could have worked.
9. Morals have nothing to do with existence, who ever wrote this one is a moron.
10. Just because you changed after becoming religious doesn't mean theres a god it means you changed.
I'll post 10 of these a day from now one.

**Furanshisu917** · 02-12-2008, 10:40 PM

Actually 4 is correct ..its not a reason for god to exsit but perfection is a contradiction in its self as to be perfect is an imperfection, other then that i agree with everything, none of those reasons mean god exsists theyd be as well as saying the ocean is blue, there for god exists... it just bull i only believe in the morals of catholasium.

**Cisco44** · 02-12-2008, 10:53 PM

I have no problems with you and your morals, thats yours to keep, what really pisses me off is when others force them on to me. Also I think that "god" is a creation of man, why? Easy, men we're such chicken shits they couldn't accept death, so they made the concept of the after life, to support such a crazy theory they had to make something just as insane but believable, thats where god came in. We don't need god, we've lived many years without it, its live humans and animals, humans (lets say that this was "god") need animals (humans) to exist, without animals humans couldn't exist, yet animals don't need humans to exist, if humans we're to die it would affect animals. If an animal died tho they'd all eventually all die, slowly buy surely, and then once all of the animals died,humans would too. The idiot said if god is necessary he must exist, so what happens if he isn't?... You tell me.

**Furanshisu917** · 02-12-2008, 11:00 PM

i hate when ppl force there beliefs on me, its a pain int he ass i mean really ud think if u wherte eating ur dinner theyd leave u a god dam lone. and extinction was a part of life so what can we do, other then slow the progress.
what i hate the most is people who think that science is wrong and its all god ...i mean wtf how can science not be true ??

**Cisco44** · 02-12-2008, 11:15 PM

Finally someone I can agree with. I wish that there was more people who thought like that, the only reason I even talk about god is because I want to hear someone give a logical reason why he would exist!!! FFS MY MOM IS SNORING LIKE A ****ING HOG!!!!! SOMEONE GIVE ME A D****ING SHOT GUN!!!! FFS!!