Naga

Ok now this is my official post about why Dattebayo won't stop subbing.

Dattebayo currently is the most famous fansub because it's subbing the currently most popular anime tv series called Naruto and Bleach. They do it on time and in pretty good quality, but there are definitely loads of others like them. Why is Dattebayo better? They aren't they are just more well known. You probably didn't know that there's like more than 100 other fansubs out there.

In the <bold> worst-case scenario</bold> dattebayo leaves and someone else takes their place who is just as good if not better, because that will make them famous.

Anyway, dattebayo's website gets a lot of traffic daily from all the people who go to the site. They make money off of you guys. How? Well one is that it's a known that each site with lots of traffic has the <b>potential</b> to make loads of cash. But currently they are hiding this by just giving out "professional services".

I bet one day they will show their true colors. I don't have a problem about this, but this is mainly the reason why I strong believe that dattebayo will not quit on this.

They know it themselves, they are just trying to get you guys to do the dirty work for them even though nothing will happen if you don't.

Once again if Dattebayo does quit, there's loads others to take their place. You guys know how many literate japanese english speakers there are... a lot.

Please, all you DB fans post here why we should stop putting things up for streaming. It's well known that as long as DB is out, other naruto and bleach fansubs wont come out since DB is the big dog. We will not comply with their demands to stop streaming. Good day.

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dbfan08

You stupid douchebags

the reason that Dattebayo subs is because its a passion, a passion akin to all those who watch anime. DB is so popular because they provide high quality and reliable subs, along with appropriate translation.

DB could be making tons of cash, but instead only use their skills to provide quality anime for others. True, if they stopped subbing entirely, someone else would try to take their place, but DB is popular because its DB. They know they're good, and they provide a professional and quality job.


Its assholes like you that ruin it for the rest of us by posting shit on youtube. There is a reason you've gotten your accounts banned so many goddamn times. Despite the fact that fansubbing is low key, it puts the subbing group under scrutiny and jeopardy for legal action. People like DB and are fans of DB because they are fans themselves, and due to the fact that you selfless assholes put them in the spotlight, everyone thats a fan of our favorite anime series have to suffer so you can get just deserve.


How can you call yourself a fan and spit in the faces of so many people.

Next time.. at least spell the title of your post right scrub!

I'm not following the bandwagn, but finishing the bullshit here and now. Cut the shit, or we're going to loose what we have.

DevilNight

I honestly don't understand why you guys are so stuck on your ideas...

You guys want animes in streams ? I don't see why since most streaming site got bad video/sound quality. The only thing that stream as to offer is speed but still Db can provide high speed torrent with all theirs uploader/downloader and I get each episode in less then 30 minutes most of the time less than 15 minutes.

Let's say you really don't want to use torrents and you'd kill yourself for streams. You said yourself there was groups has good even better out there, why don't you ask them if they mind their videos on streaming sites ? Why do you disrespectfuly put Db's videos when they ask not to?

If you continue on streaming their vids even if they don't stop subbing they might eventualy close for real and this would not give you any good so why putting so much of a fight over something that have many ways to be solved ?

KosherKrackers

"Ok now this is my official post about why Dattebayo won't stop subbing."

And this is my unofficial rebuke.

"They do it on time and in pretty good quality, but there are definitely loads of others like them."

Well, I can't say I'm an expert in this field, but point me to thre other fansubbing groups that do as decent a job as Dattebayo do, go on, I'm genuinely interested, because as far as I'm aware, everyone uploading content on youtube, veoh, etc, etc, of Naruto and Bleach, is uploading Dattebayo subs.

Leads me to believe that if there are others, they're nowhere near as good.

"You probably didn't know that there's like more than 100 other fansubs out there."

No I didn't, as said before, kindly link me to them rather than just making a baseless claim, I'll gladly retract my statement when you have.

"In the <bold> worst-case scenario</bold> dattebayo leaves and someone else takes their place who is just as good if not better, because that will make them famous."

Actually, in the worst case scenario, after a month or two of their being no subtittles, an amateurish group of rag-tag individuals would put together a few episodes, leaving a void from when DB wasn't, to when they are, and we put up with several months of them working out kinks and problems in their administrative structure and workings.

By the time they got up to par with DB, we'd be about half a year behind.

And that's not just the worst case, it's the most likely case.

"Anyway, dattebayo's website gets a lot of traffic daily from all the people who go to the site. They make money off of you guys. How?"

Where are these advertisements through which they gain money?

I'm sure you're aware of course, that getting a lot of traffic actually drives your costs up, rather than your profits, unless you've got some serious sponsorship/advertisements, I see no way whatsoever in which they can gain money from this other than ttheir professional services.

Correct me if I got anything wrong there.

"Well one is that it's a known that each site with lots of traffic has the <b>potential</b> to make loads of cash. But currently they are hiding this by just giving out "professional services"."

They're not really hiding anything, yes, it has the potential, just as your site has the potential to make a lot of money, and any site, has the potential to make a lot of money, because they haven't explicitly stated "We could make a lot of money off of you guys, but we're not doing" they're hiding it from us?

Oh, but then of course, if they did say that, you could cry about them taking some kind of high ground in order to get more business for said professional services.

In truth, it doesn't matter either way, you could cry about either one, and they affect absolutely nothing, as they're not using our traffic to make a profit, making your statement nothing more than propoganda.

"I bet one day they will show their true colors. I don't have a problem about this, but this is mainly the reason why I strong believe that dattebayo will not quit on this."

Yes, of course, they've been lulling us into a false sense of security for years.

Christ almighty, they're a conglomerate of people with a passion for anime, not evil geniuses.

I believe the only one showing their true colours here are you and yours, blatantly attacking the website whos product you've used to forge a small portion of this little empire of yours, ignoring a friendly and rational request by the supplier of that free product, and actively encouraging other people to disregard it as well.

Have you no shame?

"They know it themselves, they are just trying to get you guys to do the dirty work for them even though nothing will happen if you don't."

Prove it, let's hear some logic and rational instead of this mud-slinging, but forward some valid points on which we can reflect, rather than throwing a tantrum over losing the ability to capitalise on the works of someone else.

"Once again if Dattebayo does quit, there's loads others to take their place. You guys know how many literate japanese english speakers there are... a lot."

Once again, point me to some of these other services.

As for the literate japanese.english speakers, yes, there are a lot, but how many would take the time to work on subbing an episode or two of anime every week, for free, for people who decline every friendly request they make, and openly disrespect them?

I don't know even one.

"We will not comply with their demands to stop streaming. Good day."

I'm fairly sure of that, because that would mean you'd have to work at it yourself instead of being able to garner some form of pseudo-respect by delivering their work to the good people.

If you actually gave a damn about anime itself, you'd find a compromise, and post links to DB's torrent page with a schedule and notices when a new episode of either Naruto or Bleach is out, that way, you'd deliver it to the people, and no-one would be troubled.

No-one of course, but your good selves, who would then be unable to capitalise on it yourselves.

Digger

You don't get it do you. DB will be a target for companies that have BOUGHT the rights for Naruto and Bleach. Because you stick them where everyone can easily access them, companies WILL go after DB and companies WILL go after any and every fansubbing group if the material they make money off of is freely given out.

So you will make DB have to stop subbing because they will be facing lawsuits. And you will make every other fansubbing group have to stop subbing because they will face lawsuits as well when you stream the content.

Furanshisu917

Using Gw's argument, read and enjoy

"well here's my deduction, I also said this to a DB enraged possed fool and it left him speechless, he couldn't fight me back fellow staff, don't ban, just use these, this will work better since the ppl will tell their friends that it was a scam

DB is doing this for money, more site views=more money, money is the root of all evil as said so much in the past, this lie causes more page views because people give out so many links and the people they argue with look at the site which gives a huge increase in views

they could've used a video program to have ppl watch their videos on their site (veoh/crunchyroll/etc players for example) refusing dowloads, but they didn't meaning they wanted this, they aren't stupid, they definately thought of this since they have many people working for them, someone had to have thought of it

most people run blindly after hearing one thing into battle with no standing after being enraged by what they heard without giving it a good thinking through before starting their war and DB knows this and used it to their advantage

if they really do stop subbing the uploaders have nothing to do with it, DB members are usually somewhat young and most likely don't have the time for this, they just found an excuse to stop

they've done this before, who says they aren't just lying again?

DB is filled to the brink with smart people, they know how to start successful scams which this obviously is

don't get me wrong DB is an awesome company and I applaud them for thinking of such a devious sceme, but there are people like me that put thought into many things that are a threat "

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Furanshisu917

OMG i could kill u all just now lol.. at this very moment in time Dattebayo are actually streaming an episode of bleach on there main page yet they are saying this is the help we dont need...But why have the linked it to the site ?? not moaning since they are getting us views

oh and to let u know this was uploaded by one our staff it is infact bleach 155 subbed.

oh wait i thought they where gonna stop subbing......yeah LIES

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KosherKrackers

You obviously know nothing about how websites work...

Ok, let me start with the basics, websites need bandwidth, this is the transfer of information, specifically, images, HTML, etc, etc, from the server, to the computer of the person browsing said website, bandwidth costs money, and the more that is used, the more money it costs to maintain the website.

The more page views Dattebayo gets, the more it costs to keep it up and running.

Now, when you have advertisers, you get paid based upon how popular your website is, IE, how many unique hits it gets per day, and how much traffic the advertiser gets from the site it's advertising on.

As Dattebayo has no advertisements, it's website is expending bandwidth with no capital gain, leading to cost, rather than profit.


Yes, they did think of this, and if they did use it, it would push their bandwidth so extremely high that they would not be able to maintain the cost of the website for ANY length of time.

Given the traffic they recieve, it would end up costing them thousands each and every day, which is why they use torrents.

Bittorrent connects peer to peer (From one computer to another, or, to a swamr of others), rather than from server to peer, meaning, that other than the initial download of a 16 kilobyte file, it costs them no additional bandwidth, and thereby minimises the hole burnt in their pocket for the free service they're delivering.

And a lot of people, such as yourself, rally behind the ideal of "they stole it first, so it's alright for me to do so now.

I could never understand this mindset...

"Dattebayo provides me with a free service, that is of good quality, punctual, and costs me nothing but the time to download it, they shuold stop complaining while I thrust them into dire legal repercussions for delivering this free service."

You're a bloody fool, see my above post regarding the mindset issue.

If you were delivering something to someone for free, at cost to yourself, and were met with derision and disrespect, yet soldiered on anyway, would you not start to get sick of it when you were also on the brink of legal repercussions?

Yes, it is the fault of the uplaoders.

Yes, it is your fault.

No, the responsibility does not lie with them, they would merely be taking their own necks off of the chopping block for delivering something to you, that you want, for free.

"they've done this before, who says they aren't just lying again?

DB is filled to the brink with smart people, they know how to start successful scams which this obviously is[/quote]

And what do they gain from it?

Money? No they don't, see my little introduction to economics in the first few paragraphs I made.

Let me tell you what they gain: nothing. That's right, nothing at all, other than people who know what they're talking about, who aren't self-aggrandizing self-important leeches, rallying behind their banner in order to hopefully get some sense into the heads of the immature little morons who think that just because DB did it first, they're morally obliged to do it again.

"Dattebayo is an awesome company, they're intelligent, do a great job, and I'm thankful for the product they deliver to me for free, but I really wish they'd shut up and stop complaining while we get them into severe legal trouble."

You put thought into things?

Well, you sure fooled me, or was that part of your plan?

Digger

More site views does NOT = money. They have NO ads on their website. How can they get money? They can't! No ads means no money. No affilliates means NO money. And the video on their main page? Did you miss what they put right next to it?

"This is the kind of "help" we DON'T NEED from our "fans"."

Let me repeat. DB will be FORCED, yes FORCED TO STOP subbing because they are a much easier target for companies who pay money to air bleach and naruto, when their fansubs are put on youtube and veoh.

KosherKrackers

Actually, I'd be more inclined to call it "strike one" than a lie.

Consider that DB has been, out of its own pocket, out of its own time, delivering us with free subtitled anime for a great deal of time.

Yeah, doesn't exactly seem like the type of company that would outright cease all production without giving people a chance.

Your conglomerate however, is continuing to steal their work for your own gain, when the people you're stealing it from have explicitly asked you not to, and yes, I say asked, question 16 in their FAQ has been there for a long time before that news post.

And you have the nerve to call them the devious underhanded schemers.

Digger

Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of Naruto/Bleach growing, legitimate companies have licensed them for DVD releases outside of Japan.

That makes fansubbers a target - although Dattebayo makes no money, legally the companies have all the right to shut us down. Because Dattebayo is a prominent fansubbing group, it's at constant risk and legal threat. When you put videos on Veoh/Youtube, that exposes the group and makes it a big target.

Furanshisu917

WE ARE NOT STEALING THERE WORK, it says subbed by DB on all there videos and they gave it to us by torrent = NOT STEALING

and let me rap this up for u.

i believe in the greater good. which means im happy thousands of ppl can see naruto and bleach thanks to users streaming it, without that the popularity wouldnt be so high, and i would not stop at the cost of 1 fan subber company when for example we have lunar to cover bleach for us...they just wont act till DB stops.

And its not for our own gain at this moment db is happily giving us view by linking one of our admin to there site.

i will say no more, and for anyone who replys with an insult inside of there post i shall ban or place an infraction apon them. keep ur posts clean and to the point. this includes ALL members

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Naga

I didn't read through everything you wrote, but I read the most.

Their site uses almost no bandwith except for the tracker, they barely have any images at all. They are not currently making much money frmo their traffic but once again I said they do from their "proffesional services"

I'm just saying, they can't demand people to stop putting things up for streaming. Once they release their illegal work we can do what we want with it.

I'll more later since I'm at school now.

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KosherKrackers

You're using it in a way they've explicitly stated it's not to be used, if I'm given a government grant to perform some research, then spend the money on flashy cars and ivory backscratchers, by your logic that would be perfectly reasonable also.

"self-ag·gran·dize·ment (sělf'ə-grān'dĭz-mənt)
n. The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one's own importance, power, or reputation."

Greater good, eh?

So, you're serving the greater good by delivering anime to the masses of people that want to see it... All right, I can see that, that makes sense even to me, although, you're actually causing a much greater future problem to the legions of people who download it, and to those who watch it streaming, by uploading it to sites like youtube, as the only way it can end is by Dattebayo stopping, and there being no more, for a long time.

Instead, you could easily post instructions on how to use bittorrent, and a link to the torrent file hosted on Dattebayo's torrents page when it's released.

That way, you would still be delivering anime, and everyone could continue to enjoy it, but instead, everyone has to suffer due to your pride.

That's a very twisted definition of "greater good".

Alright, how about we start with yourself:

And the admin that posted this topic:

For slanderous and insulting insinuations, before moving onto my good self.

... I'm more than happy to keep things civil, all I ask is that you stick to the point, instead of propogandising the issue in order to take some percieved high ground and get people on your side, let's leave people to decide where there loyalties lay based on reason, logic, and what we've seen, rather than wild assumptions about ulterior motives based on nothing but a news post that's a few weeks old, while disregarding their history and what they're delivering and at what cost.

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KosherKrackers

Thanks for taking the time to read what I've said and respond to it, apologies if I seemed rather caustic.

They can certainly demand it, whether or not people respect that or not is another matter entirely, I see your point, truly I do, and yes, you can do what you want with it, but that doesn't mean you should.

They're sticking their necks out for people who appreciate their work, and I assume, since you download it, that whether or not you like them as people, you appreciate the work they do, so then, why would you choose to put them in such dire straits when there are ways around it?

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